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How ICE Is Mimicking 19th Century Slave Patrols, and What AI Tech Billionaires Really Want

How ICE Is Mimicking 19th Century Slave Patrols, and What AI Tech Billionaires Really Want

Gen Z Historian Kahlil Greene explains how today’s ICE enforcement has chilling parallels to the slave patrols of the 19th Century, designed to hunt human beings for profit and power. Then, Sharon speaks with author Karen Hao to talk about her new book Empire of AI (https://bookshop.org/p/books/empire-of-ai-dreams-and-nightmares-in-sam-altman-s-openai-karen-hao/de10c251433f34d2?ean=9780593657508&next=t), and why the biggest names in tech aren’t just building tools, but chasing a quasi-religious vision of control. Karen reveals how that ideology is reshaping democracy, draining the planet, and quietly harming people right now… but, she says, there are ways to change the future of AI before it gets worse.

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  • Host: Sharon McMahon
  • Supervising Producer: Melanie Buck Parks
  • Executive Producer: Sharon McMahon
  • Audio Producer: Craig Thompson

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Guests

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Kahlil Greene

Kahlil Greene, also known as the “Gen Z Historian”, is a 2x Emmy-nominated, Forbes 30 U 30 Honored, Peabody Award-winning, and New York Times, WSJ, and Variety Magazine recognized digital educator with nearly 1 million followers and 50 million views across his TikTok, Instagram, and Substack profiles. He has authored op-eds about Gen Z and social impact in the Washington Post, LA Times, and Harvard Business Review. Kahlil also graduated from Yale with a degree in History and served as the college’s first-ever Black student body president. He is now a full-time, self-employed speaker, influencer, and educator and is known for his newsletter, "History Can’t Hide", which dives into stories of American politics and culture. He was a correspondent on Nickelodeon’s revival of the critically acclaimed Nick News series, and produced a historical docuseries on National Geographic in 2024. In 2025, TIME Magazine named Kahlil one of the 100 most important people on the internet. Kahlil’s main goal is to share knowledge about history, culture, and politics to make young people more informed about the world around them.

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Karen Hao

Karen Hao is an award-winning journalist covering the impacts of artificial intelligence on society. She writes for publications including The Atlantic and leads the Pulitzer Center’s AI Spotlight Series, a program training thousands of journalists around the world on how to cover AI. She was formerly a reporter for the Wall Street Journal, covering American and Chinese tech companies, and a senior editor for AI at MIT Technology Review. Her work is regularly taught in universities and cited by governments. She has received numerous accolades for her coverage, including an American Humanist Media Award and American National Magazine Award for Journalists Under 30. She received her Bachelor of Science in mechanical engineering from MIT.